Lisen: When It Comes To The Vice Presidential Debate, Are You Smarter Than A Fifth-Grader?

The Face Off

Like many children across the nation, my neighbor Jin’s ten-year-old daughter was required to watch the vice presidential debate for homework last night. This morning when I saw him walking the dog, I asked what she thought. He said, “She couldn’t really understand the ins and outs of the conversation. Mostly, she just wondered why the two men on TV were fighting.”

And fighting they were. Today we’ll be reading all about Paul Ryan’s eye rolling and interrupting. The pundits will be wagging their fingers at Joe Biden’s finger wagging and smirking. There will be discussion about the generational differences in style and presentation. They’ll talk about Ryan’s Jack Kennedy hair and Biden’s gleaming teeth. I’d like to believe the voting population of this country is just a little more sophisticated than the average ten-year-old and can see beyond the gestures and debate tactics to the substance. Because, while yes these men were fighting, they weren’t simply bullies facing off across the playground, they were fighting about the very future of our country.

Here’s a breakdown of the big issue areas they disagreed on:

The Bad Guys: Paul Ryan went on the attack regarding Benghazi accusing the Obama administration of being soft on terrorists and then launched into a defacto claim that Iran is close to (or already has) nuclear weapons. I actually agree we need better security around the Middle East diplomatic corp. The attack on the Libyan Embassy proved that. But, I do not believe a rock-’em-sock’em tough on the bad guy strategy is best for this country. As Biden said, “The last thing we need is another war.” Obama may have won the Nobel Peace prize too early in his career but his restraint, his commitment to working with other countries rather than going solo, is exactly the kind of international leadership this country and world needs.

The Budget: The Romney/Ryan ticket has promised expertise on the fiscal future of our country. I’d like to believe it. Romney’s business acumen is impressive and Ryan’s depth of knowledge about the federal budget is undebatable. But last night, Ryan did not convince me he and his partner had a specific plan that would help, not hurt. Americans. In the past, Romney has made it clear he is a free market capitalist who would have allowed the auto industry to fail, would have allowed the nation’s foreclosure crisis to run its course, and argues that 47% of Americans are too reliant on government benefits. Ryan’s Ann Randian philosophy of individualism is the same one espoused by Alan Greenspan. You may remember his befuddlement in front of the congressional panel when discussing the financial collapse. He said, the free market strategy of Romney, Ryan, and Rand is “flawed.”

And that fatal flaw is greed. I don’t trust business run amok just as much as I don’t trust uncontrolled government. We need checks and balances. A Republican led Congress coupled by a Romney/Ryan ticket does not provide the balance this country needs. It takes time to heal from the deep pain of a financial crisis (one driven by a free market governmental policies and two wars). We need more time.

The Body Politic: Paul Ryan brilliantly twisted the requirement to offer contraceptives to women under the Obama Health Care plan as an attack on religious freedom. Don’t let me get started on how it could possibly be we are even having this discussion in 2012, but fact checkers were all over that one this morning.  This from the New York Times:

From the start, churches and other houses of worship were exempt from the contraceptive requirement. Still, it provoked furious criticism from Roman Catholic institutions and some other religious groups. The administration ultimately offered what Mr. Obama described as ”an accommodation” for church-affiliated schools, universities, hospitals and charities. They would not have to provide or pay for contraceptive coverage, but their female employeescould obtain such coverage directly from their insurance companies at no cost.

Enough said.

As for abortion, Paul Ryan has been unequivocal in his stance: no abortion, anywhere anytime. He co-authored a “personhood” amendment with “legitimate rape” representative Todd Aiken. Last night he softened his pitch saying that the Romney/Ryan ticket supports abortion in the case of incest, rape, or the mother’s health. This might placate some voters, but when it comes to reproductive freedom, Biden brought it home.  He looked right in the camera and reminded voters to remember the next president will likely have a chance to replace two supreme court justices. Three words: Roe Versus Wade.

Sure there were other issues they debaters touched on including Obama’s health plan vs. Ryan’s plan for overhauling medicare, defense spending, tax on small businesses – all important issues. They didn’t touch on immigration, the environment, or education – also important issues. We can only hope we will hear more in the next debate between President Obama and his contender, Mitt Romney because the more we hear, the clearer the choice. It’s up to us to decide on behalf of all of the fifth graders across this country.

Are you smarter than a fifth grader?

Aimee: The Joker vs. Robin, My Take on the Vice Presidential Debate

It was a classic comic book matchup. 

cesar romero as the joker

Cesar Romero as the Joker

Joe Biden playing the Joker. Rudely interrupting. Flashing a toothy smile. Laughing at the most unprofessional times. Condescendingly referring to Paul Ryan as “my friend.” Dude, this is THE vice presidential debate. This is serious business, not Let’s Make a Deal. Biden’s behavior threatened to steal the show and not in a good way. Bizarre.

And Ryan? Well, Ryan was Robin incarnate. Young. Polite. Mild-mannered. A tad naive, but refreshingly clean cut and reserved as compared to The Situation flailing about next to him.

Debates are won on substance, Aimee, not theatrics. Who won on substance? 

That’s true. Each side will dispute the other side’s “facts.” The fact checkers won’t agree either, and voters will take issue with how the fact checkers interpreted the facts in their fact checking. This will go on ad nauseum. Here are the poignant substance moments for me:

Biden referred to Benjamin Netanyahu as Bibi.
I wanted to crawl under my coffee table. How embarrassing for our country. Even if Biden’s on a nickname basis with Netanyahu, it’s inappropriate to refer to Israel’s leader as Bibi in a debate. On your Twitter feed maybe, but not in a nationally televised debate. Not respectful. Not classy. Not vice presidential. Biden made Ryan’s point: our casual leadership communicates weakness to our allies and to our enemies on the international stage. Why would they take us seriously?

Biden insisted the Middle East problems aren’t really as bad as we all know they are.
Terrorists in the Middle East hate us. I repeat, they hate us. I’m sorry to have to break it to some of you, but they want to kill us. Dead. Deceased. Obliterated. No more. What difference does it make if Iran is four weeks or four years away from a having a viable nuclear weapon? They need to be stopped now.

Does Biden seriously think our declaration of 2014 as the end of the war in Afghanistan will really be the end? To quote Lara Logan from her speech earlier this month in Chicago:

“You’re not listening to what the people who are fighting you say about this fight. In your arrogance, you think you write the script, but you don’t. There’s two sides and we don’t dictate the terms.”

And Biden had the nerve to blame the intelligence community for Obama’s disastrous response to the terrorist attacks in Benghazi. Blame shifting seems to be a Democratic strategy of choice these days. Blame a YouTube video, blame the Republicans, blame intelligence. You know what’s coming next. Wait for it…

Biden blamed George W. Bush. Again.
I have a soft spot in my heart for President Bush 43, and I’m not alone. Bush had his faults, yet I never once doubted his love and loyalty for America. I grow weary of people like Biden directly and indirectly attacking, demeaning, and blaming Bush for the ills of the universe. Liberals like to poke fun at him and call him a cowboy. But I like Bush. I like cowboys.

Abortion emerged as the sleeper issue.
The abortion issue still plagues America. Lisen and I will write more about it next week. Last night, the VP candidates came out swinging. Ryan said, “I believe life begins at conception.” It doesn’t get much clearer than that. In that one statement, Ryan showed he understands the bedrock of the pro-life perspective. And, unlike Biden, he adheres to a position in line with his Catholic faith. We know what the man stands for. That counts for something in my book.

Batman and Robin

Batman and Robin

Biden didn’t thank Ryan, but Ryan thanked Biden.
Thanking one’s opponent at the end of a debate is a common courtesy. You learn that on the high school debate team. It’s good manners and good statesmanship. Did Biden simply forget? Or was this a final jab of disrespect, consistent with his demeanor throughout the debate? And we wonder why bipartisanship is nonexistent in the Obama presidency.

Biden has been a public servant since 1973, and that’s commendable. His acting out last night, however, was odd and inexplicable at best. Desperate at worst.

Meanwhile, Robin, er, Ryan held his composure. Calm, cool, concise, clear, polite. Maybe I’m partial to him because he’s my age; he’s Gen X. Maybe it’s his manners or the fact that that he wasn’t projecting as poorly as the current Vice President. With Ryan, I can see a glimmer of a chance for functional government again.

Holy hope and change, Batman! We have a winner!